GMH*
2 hours ago
For valuations on these pre- or early revenue companies, I try to create a pro-forma P&L looking out 3-5 years (to estimated peak sales). I then adjust the parameters as facts emerge. For a lot of biotechs, you hear people say "but they have an approved drug/treatment", but if the target patient population is too small, they will never get to profitability, even with a treatment at $2+M. People also always over-estimate adoption. Even for IOVA, people say "these patients are dying, of course they will treat", but even looking at my mom, who is 92 and relatively healthy (for 92), if she developed MM, I am 100% sure she would not treat, even if she was eligible. This is critical to getting to the "real" treatment population.
Having said that, I think IOVA does tick the boxes. For US population, I estimate peak patients at 1,800 for L2+. RoW should add about about 2,200 patients (ramping end 2025), but at a 15% price discount, for a total incoming at 4,000. Hitting about 100 patients/month should allow IOVA to hit efficiency to get to GM target of 70% (ultimately I think they can get to 75%-80%). This also assumes a drop rate moving down to 20% (which was where the trials were but higher FDA cell count requirement in the Assay hurt that). These two alone, get to a $35-40 price, assuming IBB PE and a PEG of 1.5. I think EU/RoW approval at 90%+ since CAR-T was approved. Adding L1, other IND including NSCLC only leverages the bottom line up and the SP would be multiples of the price noted.
Bottom line, for my core holdings, it only matter where I bought it (ave $9.90) and where I sell it (I expect much much higher). On the pullbacks and events, I use options to "play the game", just need to make sure I do not over do it so I can stay in the game.
badgerkid
3 hours ago
GMH, Perceptive did add a small amount, MHR is unchanged. Updates will be posted on the company website soon enough. Perceptive's filing posted today: https://ir.iovance.com/sec-filings/sec-filing/sc-13ga/0001193125-24-258737 .
JE, MHR, and WR do seem to be in lockstep with each other based on share totals. WR with the most, Vanguard now 2nd on the list, JE of Perceptive 3rd, and MHR currently 4th. I'm unaware of any other major changes coming that would knock any of these 4 off the top spots.
The top 10 institutions have controlling interest of Iovance with over 54% of the shares for whatever that may mean. It won't take much to get agreement should the time come for a vote of the shareholders.
All still looks solid and stable amongst the top owners, but share price is still frustrating regardless. I still interpret this to mean that they're all on the same page as to what the future holds for Iovance, whatever that future may be - whether a buyout or to go it alone, a possible partnership or even an acquisition of another company. My guess is they all understand the plan as it was explained earlier on when they took large positions.
Just my opinion, of course.
badgerkid
4 hours ago
Surf, nothing wrong with caution especially when preserving capital is important at a certain stage in life. I'm invested a bit more than I had originally planned, but I also have an eye on the what if...
I don't want to have to make my wife go back to work at her age, although she still can outwork most of the younger kids. Dang, maybe I should send her back, lots of companies need good employees. If we were in the Philly market, I hear Iovance is hiring.
Here's a little gem of a note: Hood River Capital Management LLC increased their holdings to 8.14 million shares, an increase of 5.41 million shares as of 9/30/24.
Best of luck to us.
badgerkid
5 hours ago
Surf, actually, we've seen increases for Vanguard Group, State Street, Black Rock, and even Perceptive added a few more shares. Some new big positions and a couple big increases, but certainly a few that had sold down some shares probably right after the rise following Q2 earnings back in August. Some updates will appear in a day or two, but here's what's currently listed:
https://ir.iovance.com/stock-information/ownership-summary
As for how this stock gets beat around - it does seem well organized to a point. I'm guessing there's plenty of money being made selling the calls and puts and then wiping them all out just in time for options expiration. I've seen this game played on other stocks I've owned while the company was growing its business. But in the end, the good companies do win out and the share holders are rewarded. Options players have to take their chances on timing the moves properly - that's not such an easy task with a young commercial company.
Good luck to the longs.
GMH*
1 day ago
LUN-202 Approval was always going to be 2027. In biotech, you need to know the timeline. Retail investors always want weekly readouts from every patient.
1) After full enrollment/last patient - 4-6 months to determine endpoint (for ORR, mDoR is much longer)
2) 2 months to parse the data; present at conference
3) 4 months to meet with FDA/pull BLA paperwork together
4) 2 months for FDA to verify filing complete and accept BLA
5) 7 to 10 months for FDA review depending on if it is an accelerated approval or not.
All together, it is a minimum of 18 months from full enrollment to approval, if everything goes well. Once you get topline, that is usually what moves the stock. FDA approval can be estimated based on how good the topline data is (safety and efficacy), so less of an unknown. Then the revenue ramp, which, again, usually takes longer than most investors expect (3-4 years to hit peak sales).
badgerkid
1 day ago
SB, well said. I've added a few shares over these past few days and I'll continue to look for places to add to my core position. I am willing to trade a few shares here and there around the edges so to speak, but I suspect there'll come that day when we all get surprised with some unexpected early good news from EU, a trial, or some other such event, maybe even a buyout. To your point, the company is doing well, improving on margins, increasing patient totals, adding ATCs, and tracking very well for other indications for TIL therapy.
Good luck to the longs.
GMH*
3 days ago
BK - The Operating Cashflow numbers are corporate, not functional so they are an "all in" number. It eliminates the noise of the R&D to COGS shift and other accounting allocations. Yes, SGA costs as well as COGS costs will increase, but should be at a slower pace that Revenue, which is really what the Operating Cashflow numbers are indicating.
Regarding OOS costs, I suspect they simply allocate the fully loaded Manufacturing costs out to R&D & COGS based on number of successful infusions. I highly doubt (and hope) that they have dedicated R&D vs Commercial production teams. At least that is the general approach we took when allocating out our costs to the various functions.
badgerkid
3 days ago
GMH, agreed, I think Iovance has been a bit conservative in their estimates, but some costs have increased around their sales team, expanding mfg capacity, and production staffing. Obviously, some costs went down now that Amtagvi is commercial - no longer in trial, but they're also allocating costs to the OOS product (didn't dig in on how that's being accounted). The OOS product is getting used so there's costs associated with that, just not sure who foots the bill.
Overall, numbers were solid, the company beat guidance, and they increased rev guidance for 2025 (based solely on U.S. Amtagvi sales). A few things appear like they'll take a bit longer than hoped with EU, and possibly a bit longer on nsclc (though I still suspect a surprise may be coming). But all in all, the numbers of what this company has the potential to earn over the next several years is very impressive. A buyout at any time is always a possibility, but now it seems more likely that we still have time to play, build our positions, and trade a little longer for seemingly a few more quarters. Then again, JPM is right around the corner in January: https://www.jpmorgan.com/about-us/events-conferences/health-care-conference . That's a good time for big deals to happen.
IOVA is still cheap by all comparisons to similar companies in the sector. I'm good with my core position growing because the company has demonstrated an ability to achieve profitability potentially before the end of 2025. There's plenty of companies out there that I'd be looking to exit as they appear overpriced. A good place to roll some of those great gains would be to drop some $'s into IOVA stock.
Good luck to the longs.
surfkast
5 days ago
Zacks Equity Research
Fri, November 8, 2024 at 10:11 AM EST
Biotherapeutics, Inc. IOVA incurred a third-quarter 2024 loss of 28 cents per share, narrower than the Zacks Consensus Estimate of a loss of 31 cents. In the year-ago quarter, the company reported a loss of 46 cents.
As of Sept. 30, 2024, the company had nearly $404 million in cash, cash equivalents, short-term investments and restricted cash compared with $419 million as of June 30, 2024. The current cash balance also includes net proceeds of $200 million raised from an at-the-market (ATM) equity financing facility during the second and third quarters of 2024. Management expects this cash balance, plus anticipated product revenues, to fund the companyโs operations into early 2026.
badgerkid
6 days ago
GMH, I also added to my position today on the price drop with a healthy share purchase. I'm happy I did, but certainly I'm disappointed about how far IOVA dropped. Despite that, do we know how many infusions in the Q2 were OOS? How many in Q3? Revs could have been higher had the % of OOS product been a bit lower. Some of those issues are being resolved. I don't recall how much of the production failed to garner revenue, but at least the patients were still able to receive the infusions with the hope for a successful outcome.
Production is increasing, OOS product is declining, but I'll need at least 2 more full quarters before I'll say they missed the boat early in the ramp up. I fully expected problems in the beginning, but I actually thought there were less than I had anticipated. I had hoped for more revenue producing infusions, but do we know how many infusions were done in total even if they didn't produce revenue? How much of the capacity is being used for trials? To your point, hopefully all of that is being worked out.
I did expect a higher share price at this point given all that we know. That's the one thing that still makes me question how the share price hasn't at least gotten back to $15.00+. Maybe in part your thoughts provide some of the explanation. I don't know, but I'm not overly worried anymore. I'll just take advantage of the volatility with a little more trading around the edges until such time that the share price more accurately reflects this company's value.
I do think Iovance will surprise even more to the high side for the Q4. Unlike so many other early commercial stage biotechs, we've been given a significant amount of guidance which is unheard of this early in a company's first commercial product.
Good luck to you with your trades. Collect a little OPM on those puts.